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Machining of hardened steel

We seem to be getting a lot of people asking about machining of hardened steel (and/or tool steel).

Short answer: not with Techshop tooling. It's decidedly nontrivial to machine, requiring special attention and knowledge that Techshop staff doesn't have. Have you considered grinding instead?

Longer answer: I recommend starting with research, not experimentation. If you want to try it, I expect you'll break a bit of tooling in the process. We can sell you tooling, or you can buy your own.

machining hard stuff

archaic tomes recommend drawing the temper then re-tempering after. i recommend starting with research also. lots of info available online- some quite contradictory. anybody out there a heat-treat expert?

I hate to keep tooting my own

I hate to keep tooting my own horn, but I have done a fair amount of heat treating and tool making, cutting tools, knives, etc. It's not difficult to do. The right way is to anneal the steel first, machine it then retemper it. Most tool steel stock is sold annealed since they don't know what you plan to make out of it they don't know how hard to temper it to, and don't want to be responsible for damaged tools (or damaged people) :^) Annealed tool steel is as easily machined as mild steel.
If you know that the steel you have is tool steel you can find out the state of hardness with a simple triangular file. If the file "bites" easily and leaves a deep notch, the steel is either mild, rather than tool steel, or is annealed (most common steel is mild steel). if the file just slides on the surface, the steel is tempered. (by the way, old files are an excellent source of high grade tool steel for knives, chisels and other cutting tool making, pick up any you see at yard sales or flea markets no matter what the condition)
Normally any machining done after tempering is to adjust for any slight heat distortion and is done by grinding or honing.
Small pieces can be annealed and rehardened with a torch and the temper drawn down with a hot plate. Larger thicker or highly critical pieces are better done in a kiln with an accurate pyrometer.
Yes there is a LOT of bad information in the references. I find that most of the authors of texts are writers, not experienced craftsmen. They get their information from reading other writers work and pass it on as gospel. Pretty soon the same bad info is in so many texts it becomes (worthless) fact.

I should have been more

I should have been more clear. We're getting people asking about machining steel tools, aka hardened tool steel, not annealed tool steel stock that they purchased.

for clarity's sake

to be more clear- we were discussing making the hard steel soft, then machining it and re-hardening...the tricky part seems to be exactly how hard to make it and making different areas of the piece different tempers..

The first part softening it

The first part softening it and rehardening is relatively easy. There isn't a choice as to how hard to make it, if you harden it it becomes full hard for that alloy, you can't stop 1/2 way for example. What you can do is draw down the temper after hardening to a softer state by careful temperature control. Selectively tempering sections of a piece is done with purpose designed induction heaters, not practical in this setting.
If there is a specific need or project, it would be much easier to discuss how best to do that project.

For *all* of the specific

For *all* of the specific questions I've heard so far, the best answer has been either grinding or starting with a different piece of material, and not to deal with machining of hardened material or heat treating at all.

tool making

50 odd years ago in metalshop we made cold chisels and punches which were hard enough to cut on their business end and soft enough to endure hammer blows on the other. this selective tempering was accomplished with a small gas furnace - one end was in the flame and the process was gauged by color at the other end- dark straw if memory serves. other details escape me but it was a useful lesson. metalshop, woodshop, autoshop, printshop, drafting class- where are they now??

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