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2010-03-16

Hey, I thought it might be a good idea to start a waiting list for private rental spaces. Right now, all 13 of the spaces we have built are already reserved. while no one has actually paid yet,we do expect they all will once we actually open. But things happen and some may become available either when we open or down the road. In any event, we should maintain a waiting list for those that open up. Plus, we will be building more once the other spaces become available to us in the next couple of months. Letting us know now, what size rooms you would like will help us in our planning when the other spaces become available.

One question I have is whether we will have a tenant for the large suite at the front of the building. It will go for more than the smaller spaces. We will be telling you more about these spaces as time goes by and we learn more about them. For now, if anyone is thinking they might want a larger more upscale type of space at TechShop, now would be a good time to start a discussion on the subject.

And if you would like to be put on the waiting list for the rooms we have already, shoot me an email at scott at techshoprdu dot com I'll get you on the list.

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Just a friendly reminder about CarolinaCon this weekend.

There's a lot more information on their website, but here's just a teaser.
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The current list of speakers and talks is as follows:

* We Don't Need No Stinking Badges - Shawn Merdinger
* Locks: Past, Picking, and Future - squ33k
* Cybercrime and the Law Enforcement Response - Thomas Holt, Professor Farnsworth
* You Spent All That Money and You Still Got Owned - Joe McCray
* Something Smells Phishy: The Evolution of Social Engineering - Chris Silvers and Dawn Perry
* It's Not A Vulnerability, It's A Feature - Deral Heiland
* The Search for the Ultimate Handcuff Key - TOOOL
* The Art of Software Destruction - Joshua Morin and Terron Williams
* How the Droid Was Rooted - Michael Goffin
* Smart People, Stupid Emails - Margaret McDonald
* Mitigating Attacks with Existing Network Infrastructure - Omar Santos
* OMG, The World Has Come To An End!!! - FeloniousFish
* Physical Manifestation of Software: Microcontrollers 101 - Nick Fury
* Protecting Systems through Log Management and System Integrity - David Burt
* Why Linux is Bad for Business - wxs
* Hacking with the iPhone - snide
* Metasploit - Ryan Linn

Comments

price / sq ft?

Scott-- I think you talked about pricing in one of your earlier blogs, but thought it would be useful to mention again here. Is there a standard, flat rate for these spaces or is that something that is worked out one-on-one?

Pricing for Private Spaces

So far, all of the Private Spaces are priced at about $1 per square foot. I say about because we round up or down to the nearest $5. And in fact, we will be measuring them more carefully because they are not exactly the size of the plans.

I am considering the two large spaces in the very front of the upstairs as one 2 room suite of about 1024 square feet, and going for perhaps $2 per square foot. If we get someone interested, this will be the price. If not, we will look at other pricing or breaking it up into two spaces or even chopping it up like we did across from the kitchen area into very small spaces.

It's all about what people want. We may only have one chance to offer something special like the suite. If no one wants it, we'll of course look for another use for the space.

Also, we will be getting the 834 square foot room next to the textiles lab and the 211 square foot room across from the computer classroom and will be looking for how to use those as well. I am already assuming we will break the 800 square foot one up into smaller rooms. That is why I am asking what size rooms you would like. So we know what size rooms to plan for there.

there's really no rush for any of this other than if you want a room soon, you would want to get your name on the waiting list soon.

The other three spaces will not be available for a month or two.

Scott

Pricing for Private Spaces

So far, all of the Private Spaces are priced at about $1 per square foot. I say about because we round up or down to the nearest $5. And in fact, we will be measuring them more carefully because they are not exactly the size of the plans.

I am considering the two large spaces in the very front of the upstairs as one 2 room suite of about 1024 square feet, and going for perhaps $2 per square foot. If we get someone interested, this will be the price. If not, we will look at other pricing or breaking it up into two spaces or even chopping it up like we did across from the kitchen area into very small spaces.

It's all about what people want. We may only have one chance to offer something special like the suite. If no one wants it, we'll of course look for another use for the space.

Also, we will be getting the 834 square foot room next to the textiles lab and the 211 square foot room across from the computer classroom and will be looking for how to use those as well. I am already assuming we will break the 800 square foot one up into smaller rooms. That is why I am asking what size rooms you would like. So we know what size rooms to plan for there.

There's really no rush for any of this other than if you want a room soon, you would want to get your name on the waiting list soon. The other three spaces will not be available for a month or two.

Scott

Just so I am really clear on

Just so I am really clear on this: In my past experience with space leases the quoted per sq ft rate was based on a year. Thus a 500 sq ft space renting at $1.00/sq ft would cost $500.00 /yr or $41.66 per month. Is that how you are calculating the cost? What "perks" and/or additional costs are included with rental agreement such as access to TS equipment, utilities, common area costs, taxes, insurance, security, etc? Sorry to ask such basic questions, but I don't like surprises, so I ask questions in advance.

Is this a joke?

I'm not really sure how to take this. Should I be angry or laugh? I guess I should be angry at myself for evidently not being clear.

While correct that most commercial spaces are quoted annually, we have not offered any annual rates. These are not commercial spaces, they are private rental spaces for TechShop members and have been advertised as such from the beginning. Ours are month to month. And while we do have a couple of businesses renting space from us, they too are month to month, just like everyone else. Do the math. To think ours would be rented for $1 per square foot a year would mean a 65 square foot space would rent for $5.42 a month. To suggest our spaces are worth only that does not settle well with me. I'm being polite. I feel like not being polite. The cheapest ghetto spaces I saw while looking for this space were still around $4 annually. TechShop offer space for $1. I don't think so.

To then ask if there are any perks added on to this at this price I think is just, well.......... I really don't know what to say and keep my cool at the same time.

So I guess by now, you know the answer is no they are not figured annually. All of our spaces are month to month. No lease, no commitment, no risk. Just pay for a month at any date and occupy the space for a month. Pay on the 11th of one month and you have the space until the same date and time the next month. Want it longer? Pay for the next month. Don't want it any more? Don't pay for the next month. Really simple. We think our members want it that way.

At this time, all our spaces are going to be rented by TechShop members. As a member, you will get access to all of TechShop, including the restrooms, the kitchen and lounge area we call the Hub. You will still need to take appropriate SBU classes where necessary. Look for news on this front soon, but that's another subject for another blog or news email. You can also access wireless Internet all over the building.

Renting a private space gets you that space with lighting, a light switch for just your room and electrical outlets in your room. That's it. It does not include any furniture or anything else really. Oh, the door is lockable.

Of course, things like common area costs, taxes, insurance etc. would only relate to commercial properties, of which this is not.

I hope I have not offended you by answering your questions this way.

Scott

I seem to be the offender, a

I seem to be the offender, a totally unintended faux pas!
That now makes a lot more sense to me, sounded like an awfully cheap giveaway of space!
I only became aware of TS after TSD was already closed and being moved to TSRDU, so I have no knowlege of "what was done previously" or "common knowlege" information, only what I can find here or my previous experiences. My previous experiences with per ft rental were with renting my business space for a contracted period (typically 1, 3, or 5 years), and a long time ago when I was president of Buffalo Craftsmen Inc. a NFP professional organization, where we rented our gallery space from another NFP art oriented co-op organization (that had been granted the building), for a very inexpensive price. I only briefly looked at renting co-op studio space from Art Space in Raleigh. Both of those situations had a lot of qualification requirements and add ons.
I always tell my students and newbees on other forums I frequent that my philosophy is the only "stupid" question is the one you have and DON'T ask. If you have a question, it's likely others have a similar one, and by publicly asking it and having it publicly answered, everyone learns the answer.
I will try to be more diplomatic in the future. Please forgive me awhile.

Aside: DMAN! this is the second time I wrote this. I hate when I spend the time and my message goes POOF! into cyberspace when I hit the post button! (It happens way too frequently on other forums as well). I don't blame TS, I blame Al Gore, he should have invented a more stable internet! LOL!

I'm siding with Golden1 on

I'm siding with Golden1 on this. As someone who was looking for commercial space at the end of last year I was used to seeing figures in annual terms. There's absolutely nothing wrong with quoting it monthly, but you're renting out space in a commercial building, and there should be more clarification in the rates if you're using a non-standard period (like monthly or quarterly).

If the reader sees $1 per square foot and you don't tell them it's monthly, they may assume it's annual and there's a catch, the space is REALLY run down, or the landlord is just insane.

Last year I saw rates for Techshop rental space on Craigslist for (I think) $6 - $10 per square foot. I thought these were extremely reasonable rental rates - assuming they were annual. Now I wonder if the asking price was up to $12k a year for a 10x10 office. That certainly would have made me laugh (not in a good way).

Anyways, I'm certainly not trying to be offensive and I'm happy with the rates (At this point I think I have the largest rental space at Techshop). I just think that when the rate is advertised it should include the word "monthly" so people like me that are bad at math don't get too confused.

Clarification

The basic message here is that there has been some confusion and that I need to clear it up in future postings or communications. Will do. Promise.

But with that said, I'm surprised to hear you say that mcsantelli. You have never heard me talk about annual terms on our spaces and never seemed confused when we were talking about the rates for your room. Every single conversation we had was based around monthly rates.

The key here that both you and Golden1 seem to be missing is that we are not leasing commercial spaces annually, we are renting private spaces to members monthly. We simply do not have any annual leases or rentals so there are no annual prices.

The rates you saw last year on Craig's list were monthly. We had priced our spaces by following the lead of TechShop in CA. Laugh if you like, but they had one 10 x 10 space renting for $1000 a month with a 25 person waiting list. We thought we could do the same. It's why we put in 22 rental spaces and priced them the way we did. We found out we could not rent them for that. We started at $6, $8 and $10 per sf per month depending on the location in the building. After that proved to not work we dropped the prices. At $2 per sf per month we started to fill some of them up. Interestingly enough, the largest rooms are the ones that rented first at that rate.

This has all been a learning process and it is not over yet. This conversation has certainly taught me that I need to use the word monthly in any pricing quotes I make about our rental spaces from now to the end of time. I don't ever want to go through this again. (:^) But of course, I will if it becomes necessary. It goes with the territory as they say.

So thank you both for pointing out the possibility for misunderstanding our pricing schedule. I'll try not to let it happen again.

Now, I guess it would be appropriate to send everyone back to the first post at the top of the page, because we seem to have gotten away from the primary reason for the thread. If anyone wants to be put on the waiting list for our monthly priced rental spaces, or has an interest in our larger suites, please let me know.

Thanks,

Scott

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