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learn to build custom cabinets Techshop style
I want to find out how much interest there would be in learning how to build high quality European style kitchen or ? room cabinets. These classes would have a practical application in that the finished cabinets created in the class would be used in the Tech Shop kitchen. While building the cabinets we would discuss the design differences between traditional American face frame cabinetry and modern frameless cabinets such as those sold by Ikea, Pogenpol, and other high end European manufacturers. We'll touch on various utensil and cookware storage needs and new ways to accomplish those needs as well as food prep flow and secondary function of the kitchen as living space and how it influences the cabinet design and construction. Material choices and what construction techniques are appropriate for each from MDF to hardwood plywood to solid wood, and when the combination of any of the three would be appropriate would be discussed. Alternative materials could also be dicussed (and quite possibly be incorporated into the TS kichen). By the time we are finished you would be ready to use the equipment available at TechShop and take on the major renovation of your own kitchen and/or other cabinet needs.
My instructor qualifications include a Master's degree in Art Education with an emphasis in design in wood and metal, I have designed and built many cabinets, show cases and award winning wooden objects.
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I would take that class.
I would take that class.
i have upwards of 100 various
i have upwards of 100 various sized glass cabinet doors that are oak framed. most need refinishing. these are lab cabinet doors rescued from UNC. looking for someone who wants the lot. burton
what should the students know?
what would be your expected level of experience for students? The class sounds awesome, but my wood skills are somewhat limited at this point.
I'm in
I'm breathlessly awaiting the re-opening to get to work on my 2010 projects - which are nearly all cabinetry or furniture. I will definitely attend this class.
Please let me know when it hits the website so I can reserve a spot.
I would expect the students
I would expect the students to have taken the appropriate required by TS machine safety classes: table saw, shopbot, if you wish to be allowed to operate those machines rather than just observe their use, and you have at least a basic familiarity with powered and non powered woodworking tools to do any of the hands on work. After that it would be like a learn to cook class, I would do the planning, layout and demonstrate the major part of the work, the students would be my apprentices, observing and assisting myself and each other based on individual abilities. I believe this course would be beneficial to both the advanced woodworker as well as a complete novice. I like to teach (talk) as I work, explaining each operation I do as well as touch on alternative ways to accomplish the task and why I prefer this way over the others. The final result should be for an advanced or highly motivated student to be able to plan and build a custom kitchen remodeling and/or for a novice to receive a first hand appreciation for what is involved in custom cabinetry, to determine if they want to tackle such a project themselves, to become familiar with the "vocabulary", and/or to evaluate the work of other's work or quality of ready made cabinetry if they decide that purchasing or hiring out would be the better choice for them.
I'm definitely interested in taking this class
How do I reserve a spot? and how much will the class cost?
We're working out the details now
We need to get all the details worked out before scheduling the class. And of course, we need to get the tools installed and operating first too.
We'll keep you posted.
Thanks,
Scott
Just to wet your enthusiasm,
Just to wet your enthusiasm, here some pics of my latest faceless cabinet project, a vanity for our master bathroom:
http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk64/teamdynamics/bathroom%20vanity/
It will be painted rather than finished in natural wood. I prefer natural wood, but it would not have fit in with the bathroom decor.
The vanity fits in a corner with wrap around mirror door medicine cabinets above.
It will have a custom hand etched copper clad counter top to compliment the pattern in the glass basin sink and waterfall faucet, and a irridescent mosaic glass tile backsplash.
My husband and I will
My husband and I will definitely take this class!
OK, this class is coming soon
OK, this class is coming soon to a TechShop near you!
I see it as a 2 day a week class of 2-3 hrs each session for 3 weeks. To accomidate the most students I might suggest Tues and Thurs 7-10? We might also add a longer Saturday session that would review the previous week's instruction but with the major emphasis on hands on work, so a student who can't make the evening classes could still get similar instruction? I will also likely be working laying out and preping materials and parts during additional hours where student assistance would be welcome and apreciated.
I'm in.
Sounds good!
still interested
How much?
The price is still to be
The price is still to be determined, Scott wants to keep this as low as possible. It will be more than the usual 1 hr Safety class since it is an extended class, but will be partly determined by how many students there are. Towards that end, I need to get some sort of reading as to the schedule that fits the most people. If we did a Tues-Thurs evening, Sat small review/intense build sort of thing, how many would likely attend the evenings only, the Sat only, or all three sessions?
I'll make it...
...whenever you schedule it. My partner is in a class, so the Tuesday Thursday thing is a perfect fit for my personal schedule, and my Saturdays are as yet unscheduled for the next several weekends.
Note the preliminary plan in
Note the preliminary plan in Google sketchup format is posted in my first post in this topic. Sketchup is free if you don't have it installed on your computer.
Note that I left out and simplified a lot of the detail and decorative work, the final cabinets will integrate the TS theme quite a lot more.
Don't forget the Foot Controls
Took your sketch and added the faucet and controls.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4361087/PSkitch%20v%202.1.skp
Thanks! Foot controls? Why do
Thanks! Foot controls? Why do we need foot controls?
Foot Controls
Because we are TechShop.
Because we want to save water.
Because we can.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Save-Water-Kitchen-Faucet-with-Foot-Pedal/
FG are you volunteering to
FG are you volunteering to build this?
Class outline
Here's the class outline:
Basic cabinet design and construction class.
Students in this class will cover the following topics through interactive discussion, handouts, and hands on experience while designing and building the Tech Shop kitchen:
Vocabulary pertaining to cabinet design and construction.
What are cabinets and where/how might they be used traditionally, and in today's home.
What are some of the basic cabinet construction forms and how do they differ. Pros and cons of traditional face frame, stringer and panel; European frameless; hybrid; knockdown; as well as fine vs. utility construction.
What are the considerations of good cabinet design?
Ergonomics, such as human scale, conservation of energy (human rather than green), and special accommodations for disabilities.
Function of the cabinet itself and the unit's relation to the space.
Visual appeal relative to proportion, style, materials, finishing, tactile quality.
Cost, budget always enters the picture.
The construction of cabinets will be divided into 6 parts:
1.Cabinet construction methods for carcass, materials choices for the carcass will be discussed and compared, as well as joinery methods, materials and hardware. Types of joints, the strength, durability, and rigidity, of each and choosing where each might be used.
2.Cabinet construction methods for drawers, material choices, their specific joinery and hardware.
3.Cabinet construction methods for cabinet doors and drawer faces, materials, joinery, hardware.
4.Cabinet construction methods for cabinet and counter tops, materials, joinery, and hardware specific to topping the cabinets.
5.Finishing preparation, materials choices and application methods.
6.Installation: of base, floor, and wall cabinets.
I'm interested in this cabinet class!
Hi - de-lurking to say I'd like to take the class. :)
Dates times and cost coming
Dates times and cost coming soon!
Foot Controls
Sure. Piece of cake. There is nothing special about the cabinetry you need to consider. Standard cabinetry designs will work just fine. We should ensure that we have an outlet under the sink, both for the garbage disposal, and also for the power supply for the electric valves for the foot controls.
The foot controls can be installed at any time after the cabinetry is completed.
Best,
Ron
I would suggest coordinating
I would suggest coordinating this addition with Scott, that is outside my part of the project.
If after works........
Hey Ron,
If after it is built will work, then let's bring it up again then.
Thanks,
Scott
OK, this class is close to a
OK, this class is close to a green light. As soon as Scott returns hopefully we can schedule it and get the materials ordered. AFAIK in my discussions with Scott it will be a 3 week class with the major instructional discussions and work taking place on Tues, Thurs 7-10. There will also be a review and major fabrication sessions on Sats 12 -6. Therefore you will be able to attend any/all the sessions for one price. I hope students will find the instruction/information presented and the actual construction valuable and exciting enough that you will want to be there for all the sessions! I like to talk therefore I tend to share information and ideas almost non-stop, explain both the techniques and reasons I do things in easy to understand detail and love questions! You will come out of this class an expert cabinet maker able to apply the principles to many different home projects from reworking existing cabinets to building a complete new kitchen to building fine furniture cabinets. I expect to have you thinking about kitchen cabinets in a whole new light of function and beauty.
Still very interested
How much and when do we start?
Scott sets the price, not me.
Scott sets the price, not me. I hope we can start in the next couple weeks as soon as all the tools needed are operational and materials are on hand. I am as anxious as everyone else to get started.
Near the top of my list
Finalizing everything for this class is high on my list as I return to work. Golden 1, what do we still need to get set up before you will run the class. How close are we?
I will announce the pricing in the next day or so. I really think everyone will be very pleased at the pricing for this class. Nothing like our usual classes.
I am not going to buy the materials for this project. TechShop will, of course, pay for them, but I wouldn't even consider selecting wood for such a project. Golden 1, are you planning to do the purchase? Do you have a vehicle that will handle it? Are you thinking of having the materials delivered? do we need to make other arrangements?
Thanks,
Scott
I have a 1/2T shortbed pickup
I have a 1/2T shortbed pickup that can handle the materials if I need to pick them up, but I would need a helper or two for loading and unloading. I'll talk to you tomorrow about meeting there with you on Tues to check out the equipment. I'd come in tomorrow, but my wife is down sick with a bad upper resp. infection and will still be home from work and needing nursing tomorrow. I emailed you a 15% discount coupon for the items from Rockler I specified. Those could be ordered awhile. Same with the drawer slides from that other source. I can make do without it, but what's the chance of having the jointer going soon?
Do we have a bandsaw running? What about an assembly table?
Chuck
See you Tuesday
We can talk Tuesday about this.
Yes we have a bandsaw and table.
Jointer will take a bit longer.
Scott
Actually...............
Turns out we got a small jointer when we got the lathe. I also have the new blades for the larger jointer and will be making the parts for it soon.
Scott
Finally looks like a go!Do
Finally looks like a go!
Do to scheduling conflicts on Saturdays in Jun and July with our racing schedule It's not going to be possible to schedule Sat work days, so instead the current proposed schedule will be 9 sessions over 3 weeks. Emphasis will be on design discussions/ shop demos and some component building on Tues and Thurs Eves 6:00 -9:30 and emphasis on hands on construction/assembly on Wed Eves 6:00 - 9:30. The dates will be Jun 15,16,17; Jun 22,23,24; and Jun 28, 29, 30 (that is a shift to M,T,W That week because of the following holiday weekend.
AFAIK the pricing will be 30.00/ class or 240.00 for all 9 sessions. That is < 8.00 per hr!
Students who have taken my classes in the past rave about how much valuable infomation I present in a concise and easy to understand manner. I guarantee you will learn a lot of new concepts of modern kitchen design, materials selection, and woodworking methods. If you are contemplating a new kitchen, want to learn to build casegoods for furniture or storage, or just want to become a better woodworker, you'll want to be there for all the sessions.
How many slots are there
How many slots are there going to be?
When does it get listed to sign up?
I'd like to see 6 to 8
I'd like to see 6 to 8 students in the class, I could handle up to 10. I gave the info to the front desk today, so it should show up on the class schedule at any time.
It's on the schedule! Starts
It's on the schedule! Starts in 5 days!
Sign up now, you won't want to miss any of the information and ideas presented.
Naturally
Y'all managed to schedule it so that I cannot attend even the bits I was most interested in.
I'm really sorry to hear
I'm really sorry to hear that, I would have prefered a more spread out schedule to include Sat sessions but June and July are extremely busy weekend months for me, and Scott was anxious to have the kitchen completed. Which classes were most desirable to you, and what would have made it a better schedule?
I recognize it's not about me
The parts I'm most interested in are joinery related. Putting hands on a projects a better way for me to learn specifc cabinetry techniques than simply looking the drawings and pictures in my woodworking books. The originally proposed Tuesday thursday saturday schedule was - at the time it was proposed a few months ago, perfect. My partner was engaged in a class that met during identical timeframes and we had scheduled our presonal lives around them.
But the class has since ended, and our calendar filled with vacations and delayed social engagements. Wednesday night's internal joinery class is a visit to my mom's, then we will miss the drawer joinery part because of a trip to Toronto. These things happen. I'll have to muddle through without.
If you can work in any of the
If you can work in any of the classes except possibly the finishing one, they will all involve joinery and I don't mind reviewing. The major emphasis in this class will be on rethinking kitchen design for today's lifestyle and how to improve functionality of the cabnetry and the kitchen itself. Because of the tight schedule to finish the kitchen so it can be used, I will be using more production type joinery than fine furniture joinery. I will talk a bit about dovetail and finger joints, spline miters, dados and such but will be using primarily biscuits, screws and glue along with brad nailing. If you have specific construction questions, or want to have 1 on 1 discussions of different methods, feel free to come up to me any time I am at TechShop and ask. I am the 6'2", 260# guy with the silver hair and moustache/goatee.
Maybe if there is enough interest I can set up a fine furniture cabinetmaking workshop later, that's the wordworking I prefer doing.
furniture making
Well, bottom line is that I finished building out the last kitchen I plan to design and install for least another couple decades, so the 2 Tuesday sessions just aren't a priority for me. I'm hoping I can get through the work I have in order to make the Thursday class, since I'd like to at least be able to help with the build.