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I need some copper sheet!

I need to make some gaskets out of copper, preferably about .025". I had heard that craft stores carry it as a scrapbooking supply, but when I asked, they looked at me like I had three heads.

Is there a good place to buy small amounts locally? An 8"x8" sheet would be plenty.

JC

Just guessing

How about Ace?

Some Hobby shops might have it too.

Scott

Roof flashing might suit your

Roof flashing might suit your needs. You can buy rolls of it at Lowe's or Home Depot.

I thought of the flashing but

I thought of the flashing but supposedly it is too hard to work for this purpose. I'll probably just order a piece, I was just trying to get it locally and in keeping with my effort to DIY and improvise.

Jc

copper

If you haven't ordered online yet, check with Ornamentea in Raleigh. They often have sheet copper in various thicknesses. Not sure if they'll have the 8" width though.

Cooper sheet

What you want is 99.9% pure copper. This is sometimes called 101 Copper. The roof flashing is usually less pure and referred to as 110 Copper.

You can find it on-line. Once you have what you need, then to cut the gasket I use waterjet cutting. Next, before you can use it as a gasket you have to anneal it. Coat both sides of the copper gasket with acetylene soot. Take an oxy torch and light the acetylene and hold the gasket above the flame (do it outside as the soot goes everywhere). Once you have both side completely coated, put a rosebud tip on the oxy torch and light an slightly oxidizing flame. Heat copper just enough for the soot to burn off. This happens to be the correct temperature to anneal copper (works for some grades of aluminum too). Once you have heated the head gasket and there is not soot left, quench in cool tap water. Voila, an annealed gasket. You will want to debur the edges, and if you want you can take some fine scotchbrite and clean up the surface.

When I mount a copper cylinder head gasket (that is what I make from copper sheet), I coat both sides of the gasket with spray-on Hylomar dressing. You see copper works good for combustion chamber sealing, but is not so good for sealing oil/water passages. That is the job for Hylomar.

Generally you can get copper sheet in Guage thicknesses.

22 Ga would be 0.025 inch
18 Ga would be 0.040 inch

If you are making a head gasket (you did not say what it was for) then you would suggest 18 guage. If the engine has pistons that have zero deck height (equal to the deck of the block at TDC) then you will have a 0.040 squish area. This ideal, as it increases combustion chamber turbulence for more complete combustion.

Excuse the divergence into auto stuff.

Paul

Roofers use what they call 16

Roofers use what they call 16 oz copper, 16 oz per square foot. That's equivilent to 24 ga, 0.0216". It is typically alloy 110 (99.9% pure copper) and is annealed dead soft. It is VERY soft and easily formed. Go to a large roofing company and visit their metal shop, they will likely give you a scrap "drop" that size or charge you a small amount for it. There is very little practical difference between alloy 110 and pure copper unless you are using it for electroforming or plating anodes.
I don't like refuting other's information but this is a topic I am highly familiar with: When annealing copper unless you want to reduce the thickness and surface finish you need to coat all the surface with flux. The best easily available flux for this is boric acid (available at any good drug store) dissolved until saturated in denatured alcohol (wood alcohol, camp stove fuel, shellac thinner). It doesn't take a lot of BA to saturate the alcohol, as long as there is boric acid powder in the bottom of the container the solution is saturated. Clean the metal with soft scrub and rinse, apply the flux liquid with a clean brush and allow to dry or light off the alcohol to form a white fine powdery coating. Heat gently at first until the flux melts and flows over the surface in a glassy coating (in dim light the copper should be glowing a very slight red). As long as you keep the flame moving it's unlikely you'll melt the copper. You do not have to reach annealing temp on the entire piece all at once, but all parts should be brought to a dull red some time in the annealing process. Air cooling will produce "dead soft" temper, the softest state. Residual flux can be dissolved by soaking in hot water or speeded up by "pickling" in a hot solution of water and sodium acid sulfate (available at any pool supply center as "ph down" water adjustment powder). Dissolve about 1/4 c. /gal of water. Use in a plastic or glass container. The solution is a mild acid, not dangerously so, the temp of the water is more likely to cause injury, but keep off clothing, wear eye protection, and wash off any skin contact at the end of the process, especially if redness or itching is noticed. Rinse the piece and hands with clear water after pickling.
Do not allow any ferrous metal to enter the solution while the copper is in there, use plastic or wood tools to handle the copper. The annealed and pickled copper will be a dull fleshy pink color.

OOPS! I didn't notice how old

OOPS! I didn't notice how old the original post was. I suppose you have found your copper by now?

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