I've been using the laser cutter to cut a bunch of things out very precisely. After experimenting with several different settings, I've come to the conclusion that there is a problem with the laser table. Perhaps it is not level.
When cutting a complicated pattern, such as a puzzle, the upper left corner near the origin barely cuts through and the bottom right corner burns so hot that it scorches. Has anyone else seen this?
I've used my fluorescent green acrylic, 1/8", at speed 10, power 100, freq 5000. This is way beyond the recommended 15/100/5000. Anything in the top left corner doesn't cut all the way through the adhesive paper on the back side. I've used 1/8" MDF (pegboard without the holes) and it is the same thing. I've slowed it down to 8/100/5000 and I still doesn't cut all the way through in that upper corner, but the bottom right is over cut.
The guys at TechShop on Friday had suggested that I should set the focus point to halfway through the material. Is that the modus operandi for cutting? I was going to start working with 1/4" stuff, but if I can't reliably cut through 1/8" across the whole table, I think I'll need to look into it more. I know that I could just run the cut twice, but don't you think it should be able to cut the same all the way across the table?
If this is a problem with the table being level, then it must be really out of level to make that big of a difference. Don't you you think?
Thanks!
Matt P
Found a procedure
I found this procedure on the Sawmill laser forum. Interestingly enough, I cannot find it on the Epilog Laser web page, so I had to host it from my own.
Table Level Procedure
I have been able to get by most of my problems by setting the focus lower, but it might be nice if someone was to go through this procedure. I'd assume it would have to be an employee.
Thanks!
Matt
I kept meaning to reply to
I kept meaning to reply to this thread, just reminded me.
Anyway, I was seeing similar things, though it's been weird. For, example, when I was cutting the chess set, one spot on the board was always a single pawn that wouldn't drop quite right. It's almost as if there's a smudge somewhere in the optics and things are off just a tad bit around there.
I cut acrylic the other day perfectly. The 3/16" stuff we got at Piedmont. Settings were 6%speed, 100% power and 5000 frequency. I did two passes and it came out beautifully.
But that was all cuts in the top left, not in the almost-bottom left where that pawn would never cut cleanly.
This thing is killin' me...
So yesterday I tried to cut 1/4" MDF.
According to this project on the Epilog site, they used a 35 watt laser at 7% speed and 100% power to cut the same material.
I cut my pattern at 5% speed, 100% power, 500 frequency twice and it still didn't cut all the way through. I tried a second piece with a lower focal point and the same settings twice again and it still didn't cut.
I cut acrylic the other day perfectly. The 3/16" stuff we got at Piedmont. Settings were 6%speed, 100% power and 5000 frequency. I did two passes and it came out beautifully.
The user's manual says to cut 1/4" acrylic at that setting, and says that it will only take one pass. Why does it take two passes? Doesn't any one else see this as a problem?
We only get two hour blocks and I can only get to the TechShop once a week. I wasted my two hours yesterday and didn't get my projects cut.
There is something wrong with the equipment.
Thanks!
Matt
Cleaning the Optics
The Epilog user's manual says that the optics should be cleaned at least once a week. How often are they cleaned at TechShop? If I could get myself cleared to do it, I'd be happy to clean it the next time I'm at the TechShop. It says you need the cleaner that came with the Accessory Kit and some cotton swabs.
Thanks again!
Matt
I don't know when the last
I don't know when the last time was, but I know Michael has been known to clean the optics.
As for the MDF, I would imagine there's a lot of variability. I have some plywood that cuts great (5mm plywood for the makerbots) on one pass... same thickness plywood, same kind of wood but from a different part of the same store and it doesn't nearly so well and takes 3-4 passes (ask Danforth, he was attempting some the other day)...
Turns out that the bigger sheet of ply has more plys to it. I would expect various densities of MDF (HDF, for instance).
Anyway, lets do this... when are you in the shop next? I'll try to get there and we'll both cut the same material with the same settings and see how it goes. Let's eliminate all the possibilities, starting with the manual focusing.
Update: after talking to
Update: after talking to Aoife, I hear (2nd or 3rd hand, mind you) that the optics were cleaned just the other day, like Monday/Tuesday.
Thanks!
Anyway, lets do this... when are you in the shop next? I'll try to get there and we'll both cut the same material with the same settings and see how it goes. Let's eliminate all the possibilities, starting with the manual focusing.
That's awesome. Thanks, Otto. I'm not sure when I'll get there next. Wednesday after 3PM seems likely. I'll send you a PM when I know for sure.
I really need to get this figured out. If I can cut out a pattern in 20-30 minutes, I'm golden and could generate enough projects to justify a further month's membership. If it takes two hours and I still don't have what I need, it is not worth the effort.
Thank you again!
Matt
Check with Mike or Dennis
I know we clean it fairly often. Mike or Dennis should be able to tell you. I don't think it is cleaning. There seems to be a small crack in the lens and that might have something to do with it. We're ordering some replacement parts soon. Like tomorrow if I can get to it.
We want you to get your stuff done quickly too. We'll make it right soon.
Thanks,
Scott
Ok, yes, the laser is well
Ok, yes, the laser is well and truly eff'd.
Some 1/4" ply that used to cut on a higher speed in one pass, wouldn't even cut half the ply after four passes on a slower setting.
I'm assuming this thing is under warranty, maybe that's the next course of action when the fair is over.
I noticed some of this as
I noticed some of this as well - the other thing is that the bed appears damaged / uneven (hit too many times with the laser?) and loose in it's seating. I'm not positive but it also seems like the exhaust fan might have less suction than it used to.
As far as multiple passes on plywood goes, that's typically problematic, even on a good machine. Basically, the first pass creates alot of charcoal that sits in the cut - remember that if the laser isn't cutting all the way through, there isn't an effective escape for all the hot ash and heat produced by the cut. This effectively insulates the wood from being further cut on subsequent passes. I think the heat also hardens the plywood glue, making it even more difficult. With enough power you can blast through, but a good general rule is to always try cut plywood in one pass. Side note, it's a similar effect that makes cutting at slower speeds and lower frequencies produce cleaner cuts - there's more time for the material to cool off, so it chars less.
but yes, the laser needs some work.
Use and abuse
The laser gets a lot of use and more than it's share of abuse. Still it has performed quite well in spite of all of this. The room seems to get left a bit more messed up than others too, since people want to use every minute cutting and not much cleaning. We understand this and have been pretty easy but we're going to have to tighten things up just a bit in there so everyone can have a clean space to work and a machine that works well.
With that said, I have ordered the two items needed and have set our Facilities Maintenance guys onto creating a filter and cleaning out the exhaust ducting. These should bring the Laser back up to new condition soon.
The Laser cutter is our most popular piece of equipment and we want to keep it in top shape for everyone to use. Any help the members who use it can offer will be greatly appreciated. This includes cutting at 90% power or less, cleaning up after yourself and making sure to not burn into the grid base.
Thanks,
Scott
Laser suggestions
The laser gets a lot of use and more than it's share of abuse. Still it has performed quite well in spite of all of this. The room seems to get left a bit more messed up than others too, since people want to use every minute cutting and not much cleaning. We understand this and have been pretty easy but we're going to have to tighten things up just a bit in there so everyone can have a clean space to work and a machine that works well.
Maybe a clear policy on what we should leave for scraps. I've been leaving anything with more than 1 square inch available, because I thought people might like to experiment with my material (especially the fluorescent green) and that it would be helpful for the SBU students. If that isn't necessary, then we could put up a sign.
The Laser cutter is our most popular piece of equipment and we want to keep it in top shape for everyone to use. Any help the members who use it can offer will be greatly appreciated. This includes cutting at 90% power or less, cleaning up after yourself and making sure to not burn into the grid base.
I've noticed that the laser cutter manual suggest that any cutting be done over the heavy one-inch-spacing table top with "a bed of nails" supporting the pieces. This could cause problems with cuts that will end up being unsupported as they will droop as they get close to the end, but I was surprised that we weren't encouraged to do it that way. Without the "bed of nails," using the heavy table top would save the grid, but I'm not sure how the air flow would work. One option I've been thinking about would be to use the heavy table top, but then to put a piece of doubled-up window screen in between the top and the piece to be cut. That way we'd still have some airflow and the damage would only be to a cheap piece of screen. (Some vacuum formers use a screen instead of the one-inch-spaced vacuum tops.)
Any status on the replaced pieces?
Thanks!
Matt
Scraps, support and new parts.
Maybe a clear policy on what we should leave for scraps...........
It's not so much what scraps are left as it is about how. Scraps in the box on the table or even in a neat pile stacked on the table is not the same as scraps in the machine or on the floor. We should decide on a space for larger scraps too if anyone wants to leave that sort of thing. How about under the table?
I've noticed that the laser cutter manual suggest that any cutting be done over the heavy one-inch-spacing table top with "a bed of nails" supporting the pieces................... One option I've been thinking about would be to use the heavy table top, but then to put a piece of doubled-up window screen in between the top and the piece to be cut. That way we'd still have some airflow and the damage would only be to a cheap piece of screen. (Some vacuum formers use a screen instead of the one-inch-spaced vacuum tops.)
We could make a bed of nails and why not make it with smaller spacing? Nails at 1/4" spacing would hold most projects. Or we could machine a flat plate with a grid pattern and holes. I also like your screen idea if it would it stay flat enough after repeated use and cutting. Even if it only lasted a few times, this would be a cheap and easy way to do it. Or maybe some expanded metal. Stronger than the screen and still cheap. There are any number of ways to support the material being cut and we need to explore some of them and come up with some solutions. We all love the Laser and want it to perform in top shape as long as possible.
Any status on the replaced pieces?
They are in and working fine. The new grid has been marked for plastic only so it doesn't get all gummed up with the resins from cutting wood.
Thanks!
Matt
Replacement vector bed.
Maybe a clear policy on what we should leave for scraps...........
It's not so much what scraps are left as it is about how. Scraps in the box on the table or even in a neat pile stacked on the table is not the same as scraps in the machine or on the floor. We should decide on a space for larger scraps too if anyone wants to leave that sort of thing. How about under the table?
I think behind the computer, on the right side wall works well, but I think it's getting used as personal storage, right now. Maybe just throw up a sign and maybe make a rack out of scraps from the pile in the wood shop.
Speaking which, Scott, how do you feel about members putting materials up for sale in & around TechShop? I have a huge pile of acrylic earmarked for the Makerbot project, but I'd have no qualms with putting it all in the laser room with a price tag on it for folks to buy & use when they need it. We're not going to use it all right away... so someone would get use out of it, it'd clear up the makerbot table some and we'd just get more when we were ready for the next batch (and I'd have something to do with the excess).
I've noticed that the laser cutter manual suggest that any cutting be done over the heavy one-inch-spacing table top with "a bed of nails" supporting the pieces................... One option I've been thinking about would be to use the heavy table top, but then to put a piece of doubled-up window screen in between the top and the piece to be cut. That way we'd still have some airflow and the damage would only be to a cheap piece of screen. (Some vacuum formers use a screen instead of the one-inch-spaced vacuum tops.)
We could make a bed of nails and why not make it with smaller spacing? Nails at 1/4" spacing would hold most projects. Or we could machine a flat plate with a grid pattern and holes. I also like your screen idea if it would it stay flat enough after repeated use and cutting. Even if it only lasted a few times, this would be a cheap and easy way to do it. Or maybe some expanded metal. Stronger than the screen and still cheap. There are any number of ways to support the material being cut and we need to explore some of them and come up with some solutions. We all love the Laser and want it to perform in top shape as long as possible.
I was thinking T-track for some bolts. Originally was going to route something out of MDF, but now I'm thinking something like http://www.microrax.com/, it's 1mmx1mm 80/20 aluminum stock. That way I could use it as a support for various jigs, etc, that would let me hold down blanks in place.
Though, I just picked up some stainless steel mesh at J&D recyclers, it's practically like chainmail. I'm thinking that might work really well as a support material for wood, since that doesn't seem to have as much issue with flashback underneath itself. I'll bring it by, hopefully it's not too heavy to mount on some kind of bed and set it in place of the vector tray.